This is a candidate who never even thought about policy. What Trump represents is pure willpower and the notion of breaking through the system.

We need a visionary leader with very big and bold ideas. This is a very big, very bold country.

Trump would represent turmoil - unless he changed, unless he said, 'Now that I got to be president, I'm gonna be normal.'

Surely the President can agree with us, that theft from government is not good. I know it's bold. It's out on the edge. I know from a Chicago-Springfield background it's hard to fully grasp that honesty could be part of government.

So I'd be quite happy to have a three-hour Lincoln-Douglas-style debate with Barack Obama. I'd let him use a teleprompter. I'll just rely on knowledge. We'll do fine.