That's how I taught myself how to draw - tracing the ads and petting new clothes on the models.
The photograph, the clothes, the sets - this was about 1974, and I started hanging out with my friend Richard Sold, who was playing in a band with Patti Smith.
I lived in town until I was eight and then I moved nearer the farmland, so I had a mixture.
I grew up in Columbus, Indiana, a kind of industrial and farmland place.